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The Big Fat Truth: J.D. Roth Interviews JD Roth

by J.D. Roth on 31 August 2017 14 Comments

I’m not the only semi-celebrity J.D. Roth. For more than fifteen years, I’ve been receiving email and tweets and Facebook messages intended for the other JD Roth, the former executive producer of The Biggest Loser — and tons of other television shows.

Apparently the other JD Roth has a lot of fans. Actually, I’m one of them. I’ve been watching his shows since 2009, when season seven of The Biggest Loser inspired me to start my own weight-loss journey. When he published his book The Big Fat Truth in the spring of 2016, I read it the day it was released. I thought it was great, and wished that I could interview the author, but Kim and I were in the middle of our 15-month RV trip across the U.S. and I couldn’t make the logistics work.

Earlier this year, when I learned that Roth had created a TV version of The Big Fat Truth, I knew the time had come at last: J.D. Roth was going to interview JD Roth. Last month, we made it happen.

Note: It can be tough to tell the two of us apart. We’re both 5’8″. We both have the same facial hair. We both have beautiful wives/girlfriends. And we both share similar underlying philosophies regarding success and personal development.

That said, there are some subtle differences between the two of us.

  • I spell my name J.D. Roth; he spells his name JD Roth.
  • I live in Oregon; he lives in California.
  • I have one producer credit on IMDB; he has fifty producer credits.
  • I have 20,7000 followers on Twitter; he has 666 followers. (You should follow both of us, by the way!)

For the purposes of this article, here’s how to tell us apart: When I write about myself, I won’t do it in the third person. I’ll say “I” and “me”. When I write about the fitness JD Roth, I’ll use proper journalistic form and refer to him by his last name.

The Big Fat Truth

“I’ve been watching your new show [The Big Fat Truth on the Z Living network], and I really like it,” I told JD Roth at the start of our phone conversation. “I like that it’s less of a game show and more about helping participants address not only their health, but the other things they’re struggling with in their lives.”

“Yeah, it’s all interconnected.”

“Plus, The Big Fat Truth feels less produced than The Biggest Loser. There aren’t any weekly weigh-ins and there’s not dramatic music. It’s you sitting down and helping real people living their real lives facing real challenges — but still achieving real results.”

“Thank you.”

“In one episode, for instance, you have a couple analyze how they allow words to hurt them — how they use what others say as an excuse to make bad food choices. Or there’s the mom episode where you go over to Nancy’s house and it’s a mess. Her basement is a disaster, so you ask her to clean it up. I think you say something like, ‘Fix your mind and the body will follow.’ I love that.”

“All of these things in your life — your basement, your bank account, your belly — are a microcosm of what’s going on in your mind. Being ready to assess your inner life is probably the hardest part of losing weight. But it’s also the most important.”

“Here’s an exercise I’ve used in the past,” Roth said. “I tell participants to go home and clean out their bedrooms. If you want to lose weight, empty out your bedroom. Let yourself wake up to peace, organization, and calm. Give yourself this one oasis to escape from the chaos of life. This small step is a great place to start.”

If you’re interested in checking out The Big Fat Truth, you can watch the first full episode in the video embedded above. Or you can catch the show very Sunday at 8pm (Eastern and Pacific) on the Z Living Network. And, as mentioned, I think the book is terrific too.

From Desire to Transformation

“How do you help people move from desire to transformation?” I asked. “Many people want to lose weight, just like many people want to get out of debt. How do you move them from wanting to doing?” Before Roth could answer, I explained my own approach.

“I’m a big fan of the personal mission statement,” I said. “My goal is to get my readers to drill down to the things in life that are most important to them. I believe that if they’ll make decisions based around their core values, they’ll naturally be more motivated to achieve the success that they’re craving.”

“I like that idea,” Roth said. “A mission statement is important, no doubt. But I also think it’s important to celebrate the small stuff. I encourage people to look for three small victories every day. It’s the little steps, it’s the little promises that you keep, it’s the small victories that are game changers.”

He related an anecdote from his excellent TEDx talk about helping people learn to believe in themselves.

“I use this exercise with all of the people that I coach,” Roth told me. “I ask them to send me a list of small victories every day. As you might expect, most of these small victories are mundane. But sometimes they’re game changers.

“One guy, for instance, wrote that his small victory was this: ‘Today I tried, even though my trainer wasn’t looking.’ That might not seem like a big deal to the average person, but it was a big deal to me. It made me wonder where else this person wasn’t trying when nobody was looking. As a father? As a husband? As a co-worker? And here’s how this relates to motivation, to transformation.

“This guy realized the most important thing of all: ‘I’m doing this for me. I deserve it.’ He’s not losing weight for somebody else. His effort isn’t to please others. His effort is for himself. It doesn’t matter what other people see; what matters is what you see. When you try, you’re trying for you, not for anyone else. When you realize that, when you flip that switch, it’s so much easier to make the leap from desire to transformation because the motivation is there. It becomes intrinsic instead of extrinsic.”

“And did this guy lose weight?” I asked.

“He lost over 200 pounds,” Roth said. “But that wasn’t the best part. The external transformation was great, but even better was the internal transformation.”

Related reading: This anecdote is a perfect illustration of moving from an external locus of control to an internal locus of control. For more on this subject, check out my article on becoming proactive.

I Can and I Can’t

Roth believes there are two types of people: I Can people and I Can’t people. “If you don’t think you can do something, you won’t be able to. I Can’t is a self-fulfilling prophecy,” Roth says. “The bigger message is that you really are capable of doing things that seem impossible to you.”

“I agree,” I said. “I’ve seen this not only in other people, but time and again in my own life. When I’ve lost weight in the past, it’s always seemed daunting at the start. But I’ve made it happen. When I decided to get out of debt, that seemed impossible too. But by taking small steps and staying on course, I not only defeated my debt but also achieved financial independence.”

“Yeah,” Roth said, “I’ve seen similar mental shifts in the folks who have been on our shows. They start The Biggest Loser and it’s a struggle to stay on the treadmill for ten minutes, but by the end of the season, they’re able to run a full marathon. They never thought they’d be able to do it, but they can.”

Tara Pulling Car on Biggest Loser“I love The Biggest Loser marathon,” I said. “Season seven of the show was a huge inspiration for me. It changed my life. I remember watching Tara Costa each week, watching how she went out there and just conquered whatever challenge came her way. So much mental toughness! For me, the most amazing moment was watching her pull the race car around the track. I saw that and decided that I wanted to be that tough too.”

“Yeah, Tara is amazing,” said Roth. “I ran much of that marathon with her, just off camera.”

“Watching her run the marathon in season seven inspired me to complete a marathon myself. It must have been May 2009 when that episode aired. I signed up for the Portland Marathon, and that October I did all 26.2 miles!”

“Congratulations,” said Roth.

Diet vs. Exercise

“What’s more important?” I asked. “Diet or exercise?”

“Well, you can’t outwork three bad meals a day,” Roth told me, echoing some sage advice from financial author Greg Karp: “You can’t outearn dumb spending.”

“You don’t lose weight through exercise,” Roth said. “You lose weight through a proper diet. But exercise is important for other reasons. Exercise builds muscle and contributes to mental health. Diet helps you maintain a healthy weight.”

“The mental health aspect is huge,” I said. “I have a tendency toward depression and anxiety. If I don’t exercise, things can get dark and gloomy. But if I make sure to remain active, I’m much happier with myself and others.”

“Exactly,” Roth said. “Nobody is hungry enough to eat themselves to three, four, five hundred pounds. Those hunger pains [sic] are actually other pains. They’re symptoms of something else. People develop these habit loops in which food takes the place of solving the actual problem. The number one thing I try to do is help people break their habit loops.”

Last week, I encouraged readers to “just solve the problem“. I proposed a six-step process to tackle the things you’ve been neglecting. Roth has similar advice, but he takes a simpler approach (which is better, I think). His three steps to solve any problem are:

  1. Identify the problem.
  2. Make a list of things you need to do.
  3. Go do them.

“Do you think some people become addicted to food?” I asked.

“Well, food science is a real thing,” Roth said. “Foods are engineered to produce the perfect amount of dopamine to the back of your throat. Eating junk food makes you feel good in the short term. It makes you want more.

“It’s also interesting to note that the recidivism rate on drugs, alcohol, and food are identical,” Roth said. “A person who loses 100 pounds is just as likely to regain that weight as a recovering alcoholic is to relapse. It’s fascinating.”

Trivia: I’m a life-long Star Trek nerd. And when I was younger, I looked so much like The Next Generation‘s Commander Riker that some of my friends actually called me Riker! Meanwhile, it turns out that the other JD Roth was one of the final candidates for the role of Wesley Crusher.

Finances and Fitness

We wrapped up the call by talking about the similarities between physical fitness and personal finance. Yes, I know this is a topic that’s been beaten into the ground by money bloggers during the past decade, but it remains an endless source of fascination for me — probably because I’ve struggled with both money and diet in the past.

“Several years ago, I asked Suze Orman to be on our show,” Roth told me. “She came on The Biggest Loser to talk with our participants because I believe there is a relationship between fitness and finance. Like I said, it’s all connected.

“Anyhow, Suze said, ‘I’ll bet I can pick the eventual winner. Get me everybody’s FICO scores.’ So, I got her everybody’s FICO scores. Sure enough, those with the higher scores were the ones who had the better results.”

These days, Roth is financially independent. He sold his production company a couple of years ago, and now he’s semi-retired, much like me. “I’m only doing work that I’m passionate about,” he said. “I’m only working on things that are important. I’m in the fortunate position to be able to do a show for a start-up network on a subject that I’m passionate about — encouraging people to pursue a whole-food, plant-based diet.”

He paused for a moment. “I guess it goes back to my mission statement. I want to leave people better off than I found them.”

“That’s awesome,” I said. “That’s my goal too.”

Technical note: For some reason, I couldn’t get Skype to work for my phone call with the other JD Roth, which means I didn’t record the call. I had to take notes by hand instead of go back later to grab actual quotes. As a result, the conversation in this article is a reconstruction rather than a transcript.

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There are 14 reader responses to "The Big Fat Truth: J.D. Roth Interviews JD Roth".
  1. J. Money says

    31 August 2017 at 07:29

    Okay, TWO JD Roths out there??

    *Mind Blown*

    (Also – hilarious idea for a blog post, you sir win the award for creativity today :))

    Reply
    • Fritz @ TheRetirementManifesto says

      31 August 2017 at 13:11

      Pay attention, J$. There’s only ONE JD Roth. The other one is J.D. Roth!

      Too much fun. Very cool that you got to hook up with him, JD (wait, you’re J.D., right? Damn, this is confusing….)

      Reply
  2. Dave @ Married with Money says

    31 August 2017 at 07:41

    I had to do a double take on this title haha.

    Reply
  3. Mrs. Adventure Rich says

    31 August 2017 at 08:52

    I cannot tell you how many times I have tried to search for J.D Roth (MoneyBoss version) and been directed to the other JD Roth!

    I agree with his view on the “I can” and “I can’t” people. Mindset can be half (or more than half!) the battle in so many aspects of life. Most of the people I know in financial distress, ugly work situations, health risk or other unhappy scenarios view their situation as inevitable and that they can’t get out of it. It is incredibly sad…

    Reply
  4. WantNotToWantNot says

    31 August 2017 at 09:08

    Great post J.D.—I’ve never seen the show or the Ted Talk, and I’ll now go look them up.

    The anecdote about the guy who learned to work out even when his trainer wasn’t watching him was a spot-on example of the difference between external and internal motivation.

    It was related too to the excellent point about “the similarities between physical fitness and personal finance.” This relationship is not often written about, but I’m sure all of us encounter people who spend or overeat for reasons that have nothing to do with material need or physical hunger; I’ve fallen into that during stressful times in my life. I feel compassion for people who are stuck on that treadmill of over-eating or over-spending and finding it hard to break, because their life circumstances and the issues for which they are compensating are often so overwhelming.

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    • J.D. Roth says

      31 August 2017 at 10:06

      I’ve personally struggled with all of the issues we discussed during this interview. I’ve been deep in debt. I’ve been overweight. I’ve been consumed by clutter. I managed to master my money, thank goodness, but I still have issues with fitness and clutter. Yes, there have been times that I’ve been in shape thanks to a smart diet and regular exercise, but for some reason I allow myself to “fall off the wagon”. I think JD’s point about doing it for yourself is SO important. I forget it sometimes. But right now, I feel like I’m moving in the right direction.

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      • WantNotToWantNot says

        31 August 2017 at 18:30

        If we are honest, we’ve all faced devils of various sorts. You are doing so much good for so many by writing out your struggles, strategies and triumphs! Always inspiring. Thanks. From one dedicated reader.

        Reply
  5. Steveark says

    31 August 2017 at 15:29

    I was not familiar with the other Roth but have long been a fan of yours. What struck me is that I had a little trouble telling the two of you apart in the interview, a little like the ending of Orwell’s Animal Farm, but in a good way. You both are dedicated to helping other people and have made a career out of doing something quite noble even though neither of you hold yourself out as Mother Teresa types. You both are consummate communicators and are not obsessed with externalities or superficial appearances but with things that matter. It was indeed a clever interview but I think it may have been even more clever than you planned!

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  6. Gerri says

    31 August 2017 at 17:51

    Great insights here. I don’t watch The Biggest Loser but I’ll have to check out his new show. Glad you were able to at least get the notes from the interview!

    Reply
  7. Ms. Montana says

    31 August 2017 at 20:14

    Awesome interview! So many things in our lives are connected. I love the part about focusing on the values. When those are clear, everything else become clear.

    Reply
  8. dh says

    05 September 2017 at 09:37

    The main takeaway from the article:

    “encouraging people to pursue a whole-food, plant-based diet.”

    This has been the open secret forever. This is the way skinny people eat, yet you wouldn’t know it if you visit the diet section at the bookstores with all the trendy Paleo books and gluten-free garbage, which is nothing more than a fashion statement, unless one truly has an allergy to gluten. But a whole food, plant-based diet is the nutritional equivalent of an index fund. It’s *always* going to be the right answer. The problem is people don’t like that answer.

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  9. Jason says

    07 September 2017 at 07:57

    You know, I’m glad you finally addressed this. I’ve noticed for nearly ten years now that you shared names with a producer, whose name I saw in show credits and thought, “JD is in Hollywood, too – wow, that guy is busy!”

    As someone who has battled the bulge (not in his wallet, unfortunately) over the years I thoroughly enjoyed the topic, too.

    Reply
  10. Shara G. says

    11 September 2017 at 08:43

    Will the real JD. Roth please stand up? Please stand up?

    Reply
  11. Bill S. says

    27 September 2017 at 21:41

    I laughed when I read this article, because when I first came across Money Boss, I was thinking how great it was that the former teen host of the 80’s game show “Fun House” (mandatory viewing in my childhood) was now an awesome master of money. A google search didn’t clear up any of the confusion,either. Great insight given by Roth. Both of them..lol

    Reply

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